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Post by chris on May 26, 2010 13:44:52 GMT -5
using that as a description is total bullshit, go listen to look back and laugh.
henry you are awesome. steven you're an idiot.
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Post by heely on May 26, 2010 13:51:54 GMT -5
show's off. sorry.
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Post by Steven on May 26, 2010 14:12:02 GMT -5
using that as a description is total bullshit, go listen to look back and laugh. henry you are awesome. steven you're an idiot. wow chris, i'm glad you noticed that i was the only one in this thread who disagreed. fuck man. maybe, i should explain why i disagree. i disagree because female vocals can change the sound of a band and just because look back and laugh doesn't, that doesn't mean every other female fronted band doesn't. it's something that's unique about the band and could possibly gain interest. and even if the vocals do sound the same, a lot of the time it's different when seeing the band live. i'd rather read that than some stupid two line sub genre like doomy grunge sludge fast hardstyle core. i also think it's really lame to complain about something so small that doesn't even really matter. it's a description on a flyer/message board for a punk show, get over it. men and women are different and it's not sexist or any bullshit like that to acknowledge that. |
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Post by craig on May 26, 2010 14:47:17 GMT -5
using that as a description is total bullshit, go listen to look back and laugh. henry you are awesome. steven you're an idiot. An idiot for having a differing opinion? Come on dude, it's not like this debate has a definitive "right" side. |
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Post by bonerjamsterdam on May 26, 2010 18:08:56 GMT -5
i think you got called an idiot because you didn't respond with a real response, and maybe people thought you're the one who made the word filter.
but i think it's silly that people go buckwild at things like this to point fingers and call someone a sexist or ignorant or what have you. Calling a band female fronted is like writing the details for a band as straightedge on a flier (like how Mindset is often listed as Baltimore Straight edge, but then think about all the other bands over the years who have been from Baltimore and straight edge, to which you'll find tons of differences). It'll peak certain peoples interested to check out said band (i.e. since many of you seem very interested in feminism, you'll be very likely to check out a band listed as female fronted), this is the truth, simple as that.
All and all this is a stupid debate. People are giving words more power than they need, Naptakers are ill, this show would have been sweet, life goes on, and lets focus on more important things like keeping hydrated in the next few really hot days
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Post by craig on May 26, 2010 18:26:49 GMT -5
I think we should focus on how much Maryland Deathfest is going to rule on Sunday.
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Post by bonerjamsterdam on May 26, 2010 20:30:39 GMT -5
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Post by chris on May 26, 2010 21:22:35 GMT -5
i think you got called an idiot because you didn't respond with a real response, and maybe people thought you're the one who made the word filter. the fact of the matter is that saying a band has a girl singing still tells me nothing of what the band sounds like and is a cheap copout when trying to describe a band. |
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Post by Steven on May 26, 2010 23:13:06 GMT -5
i think you got called an idiot because you didn't respond with a real response, and maybe people thought you're the one who made the word filter. the fact of the matter is that saying a band has a girl singing still tells me nothing of what the band sounds like and is a cheap copout when trying to describe a band. i still don't get how it says "nothing" about what a band sounds like. unless you aren't considering vocals part of the band... |
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Post by craig on May 27, 2010 6:19:51 GMT -5
i think you got called an idiot because you didn't respond with a real response, and maybe people thought you're the one who made the word filter. the fact of the matter is that saying a band has a girl singing still tells me nothing of what the band sounds like and is a cheap copout when trying to describe a band. Neither does saying a band is straight edge or that a band is "ex members of...", yet promoters add these things on to fliers in order to appeal to those who may not have already heard of the band. |
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Post by xhenryx on May 27, 2010 7:27:38 GMT -5
A few points...
1) I apologize to austin for this becoming a shit storm. Austin listed naptakers as "female fronted hardcore" so I would be aware. I had previously mentioned to him that from my observation, the ratio of males to females participating (or being recognized) in hardcore was troubling.
2) steven, I don't think you are an idiot and I don't take it personally if you think that I am.
3) listing a band's belief system is not the same as listing something as personal as gender. Belief systems are a choice and may speak to a band's lyrical content, whereas something like gender (or race, sexual preference, or cultural background) is not (typically) a choice and does not necessarily have any relation a band's lyrical content (much less their sound).
4) this becomes a slightly more troubling issue if we consider other forms of music. I'm not claiming to be right, or have the answers, and if it came across that way I apologize. I can only speak to what I know and I feel that I haven't done anything more.
5) micheal s. kimmel has a pretty decent evaluation which attempts to answer why men typically don't see anything wrong with situations like these. He refers to it as gender blindness. You might be able to find it by googling. As a preemptive, I am not asserting my knowledge, or opinions above anyone else. This is just an f.y.i. I am not immune to situations of this nature, either.
6) chris, I love you.
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Post by Steven on May 27, 2010 11:59:50 GMT -5
A few points... 1) I apologize to austin for this becoming a shit storm. Austin listed naptakers as "female fronted hardcore" so I would be aware. I had previously mentioned to him that from my observation, the ratio of males to females participating (or being recognized) in hardcore was troubling. 2) steven, I don't think you are an idiot and I don't take it personally if you think that I am. 3) listing a band's belief system is not the same as listing something as personal as gender. Belief systems are a choice and may speak to a band's lyrical content, whereas something like gender (or race, sexual preference, or cultural background) is not (typically) a choice and does not necessarily have any relation a band's lyrical content (much less their sound). 4) this becomes a slightly more troubling issue if we consider other forms of music. I'm not claiming to be right, or have the answers, and if it came across that way I apologize. I can only speak to what I know and I feel that I haven't done anything more. 5) micheal s. kimmel has a pretty decent evaluation which attempts to answer why men typically don't see anything wrong with situations like these. He refers to it as gender blindness. You might be able to find it by googling. As a preemptive, I am not asserting my knowledge, or opinions above anyone else. This is just an f.y.i. I am not immune to situations of this nature, either. 6) chris, I love you. so what exactly is wrong with a situation like this? |
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Post by xbryanx on May 27, 2010 12:29:30 GMT -5
girls suck
steven sucks
wallball rules
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Post by xhenryx on May 27, 2010 12:44:39 GMT -5
By saying "female fronted hardcore" one is not specifying a specific sound, nor is it saying anything with regards to lyrical content. Saying a band is "female fronted" does not in any way denote said band being "feminist". A statement like that draws attention to the female as a novelty based on their minority status in hardcore. It'd be the same as describing the promise ring as "gay fronted emo", describing agnostic front as "latino fronted hardcore", or describing bracewar as having a "black drummer". I've never seen these bands advertised in such a way. I've already discussed the typical formula for hardcore "singing". So, why the "female" tag? Once again, it draws attention to the novelty. In the past I'm sure I've described bands in the same way, I'm not pretending that I'm not guilty of this, too. But, it really deosn't make much sense anymore (to me, at least)
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Post by craig on May 27, 2010 18:25:50 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, how do you guys feel about the whole "queer-core" tag for bands like Limp Wrist, Black stand up guy, etc.?
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Post by xhenryx on May 27, 2010 22:07:07 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, how do you guys feel about the whole "queer-core" tag for bands like Limp Wrist, Black stand up guy, etc.? it doesn't really bother me, so much. it speaks to their lyrical content. if i remember correctly, wasn't the term "queer-core" actually coined in the eighties or nineties? i'm not overly familiar with all of the bands and people affiliated, but i am aware of team dresch, and they rule. |
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Post by bonerjamsterdam on May 28, 2010 7:47:48 GMT -5
I played in a queer-core band, I think we only had one or 2 songs about gay rights/dudes.....I get hit on by a lot of older gay men because of playing in that band
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Post by Steven on May 28, 2010 13:12:28 GMT -5
people think too much
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